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20Growth: How to Use Influencers to Scale Growth Insanely Fast | How to Optimise User Onboaring for Growth | How the Best Growth Teams Create Organic Growth and Community | Why LTV/CAC Models are BS with Ketty Slonimsky

Summary

The episode features Ketty Slaninsky, Chief Growth Officer at Palta, discussing effective growth strategies for scaling companies, emphasizing data-driven optimization, building defensibility through product, and the evolution of growth teams in the age of AI.

Key takeaways include the importance of understanding core use cases, leveraging multi-channel acquisition strategies, and the shift towards AI-native growth professionals.

Key Points

  • Growth is defined as a broad discipline encompassing user acquisition, product, and monetization, not solely marketing.
  • Building defensibility requires focusing on a core use case and expanding it into multiple areas, rather than relying on small optimizations alone.
  • Successful growth professionals are hungry, smart, proactive, self-reflecting, and possess both analytical and "salesy" skills to guide users through complex funnels.
  • Frameworks are often insufficient for mature products; companies like Palta adapt and rigorously test strategies for their specific context.
  • Palta operates as a venture builder, creating and scaling companies with a clear target of achieving at least $100 million ARR, necessitating a focus on broad need and defensibility.
  • In crowded markets, success comes from understanding user needs deeply, conducting fake door tests, and optimizing unit economics from early paid acquisition before transitioning to organic.
  • Paid user acquisition is crucial for early growth in competitive markets, but it must be complemented by building shareable loops and organic growth mechanics.
  • A 2:1 LTV to CAC ratio is considered a baseline, with a 3-month payback period for paid acquisition being a key metric for early-stage companies.
  • Enduring retention is built through products solving fundamental needs and embedding into user workflows, creating defensibility and natural user engagement over time.
  • Building multi-tiered subscription models and upsells is essential for profitability in a high user acquisition cost environment.
  • Web onboarding is significantly more effective than app-based onboarding for acquiring paying users due to lower fees and better attribution.
  • Free trials can attract low-quality users; focusing on paying customers with high willingness to pay is crucial for optimizing algorithms.
  • Paywall optimization requires extensive testing to determine the most effective options for a given product and audience.
  • Effective onboarding and activation are critical for retaining subscribers, as users often forget the value proposition if not actively reminded.
  • Shareable loops and community building are vital for scaling organic growth, especially in saturated markets where pure paid acquisition becomes challenging.
  • The transition from paid to organic growth involves solidifying the core use case and then building product features that encourage sharing and community.
  • Growth loops are about building a scalable user acquisition engine, with the emphasis shifting from SEO to community-driven strategies.
  • Building internal growth teams requires hiring hungry, adaptable individuals with an experimental mindset, rather than relying solely on prestigious backgrounds.
  • Centralized growth functions are most effective for setting standards and facilitating cross-pollination, rather than directly managing UA or creative production for individual companies.
  • Retention metrics like D7 are critical in the early stages for optimizing activation, while D30 and beyond become more important as the product matures.
  • The nature of the product dictates the optimal retention metric and usage patterns, with some products requiring daily engagement and others relying on monthly check-ins.
  • Push notifications and email flows are valuable for engagement but should be strategically implemented and balanced, not overused.
  • Creative testing is paramount, especially on platforms like TikTok, requiring high volumes of variations and a blend of AI-generated and human-refined content.
  • Influencer marketing can be effective up to a certain spend, but often proves difficult to scale sustainably and can be a waste of resources if not strategically managed.
  • The growth leader role has evolved to incorporate AI-native talent and a focus on building scalable growth machines through data analysis and creative experimentation.

Conclusion

Prioritize building defensibility and nailing core use cases over relying solely on incremental optimizations.

Embrace experimentation, data-driven insights, and adaptable team structures to navigate the evolving growth landscape.

Focus on attracting and retaining paying users through effective onboarding, value communication, and well-timed engagement strategies.

Discussion Topics

  • How can companies effectively balance paid acquisition with building organic growth loops in today's competitive landscape?
  • What are the most critical skills and mindsets for growth leaders to possess in an increasingly AI-driven environment?
  • Beyond established metrics, what qualitative factors should founders consider when evaluating the long-term success and defensibility of their products?

Key Terms

ARR
Annual Recurring Revenue - The predictable revenue a company expects to receive on a yearly basis.
CAC
Customer Acquisition Cost - The total cost of sales and marketing efforts needed to acquire a new customer.
CGO
Chief Growth Officer - A senior executive responsible for driving growth across all aspects of a company.
CPM
Cost Per Mille (or Thousand) - A marketing metric that measures the cost of 1,000 ad impressions.
D7/D30/D360
Day X retention - Metrics indicating the percentage of users who return to a product on day 7, 30, or 360 after their initial engagement.
GLP-1
Glucagon-like peptide-1 - A class of drugs used to treat type 2 diabetes and obesity, known for their effectiveness in weight loss.
LTV
Lifetime Value - The total revenue a company expects to generate from a single customer over the entire duration of their relationship.
MAU
Monthly Active Users - The number of unique users who interact with a product or service in a given month.
MVP
Minimum Viable Product - The version of a new product which allows a team to collect the maximum amount of validated learning about customers with the least effort.
PMF
Product-Market Fit - The degree to which a product satisfies strong market demand.
ROAS
Return on Ad Spend - A marketing metric that measures the revenue earned for every dollar spent on advertising.
SOC2
System and Organization Controls 2 - A framework for managing customer data based on five trust service principles: security, availability, processing integrity, confidentiality, and privacy.
UA
User Acquisition - The process of attracting new users or customers to a product or service.
VC
Venture Capital - Funding provided by investors to startups and small businesses with perceived long-term growth potential.

Timeline

00:02:28

Hosts discuss the definition and scope of growth as a discipline beyond marketing.

00:04:16

Slaninsky explains that growth strategies shift from small optimizations to building defensibility as a product matures.

00:05:07

The conversation touches on how defensibility is built through processes like data loops and community engagement, particularly in AI.

00:06:05

Slaninsky describes the ideal profile for success in growth roles as hungry, smart, proactive, and analytical yet "salesy."

00:07:39

The discussion critiques the over-reliance on off-the-shelf frameworks for mature products.

00:08:05

Palta is introduced as a venture builder that creates and scales companies with high revenue targets.

00:09:19

Palta's strategy for selecting and discarding ideas based on revenue potential and market fit is detailed.

00:12:40

The process of launching and scaling new products within Palta, starting with paid user acquisition and web onboarding, is outlined.

00:15:04

The conversation shifts to the changing landscape of user acquisition, noting the increased necessity of paid channels over purely organic growth in today's market.

00:15:37

Slaninsky defines good unit economics, emphasizing a 3-month payback period and a healthy LTV to CAC ratio.

00:16:26

The importance of building shareable loops and community for organic growth is highlighted.

00:17:59

Slaninsky identifies workflows and AI integration as current categories with enduring retentive features.

00:18:44

The distinction between "painkiller" and "vitamin" products is discussed in the context of user motivation.

00:19:37

Palta's competitive advantage through cross-synergy between its portfolio companies is explained.

00:21:10

An example of a risky experiment involving introducing multiple subscription tiers is shared.

00:23:57

The decision to avoid free trials in favor of attracting paying users is explained.

00:24:47

The pros and cons of web onboarding versus app onboarding are discussed, with a strong emphasis on avoiding app store fees.

00:25:40

Slaninsky stresses the importance of extensive testing for paywall optimization.

00:26:13

The discussion focuses on onboarding and activation, highlighting the need to clearly communicate the value of premium features.

00:28:19

The transition from paid user acquisition to organic shareable loops is explored as a growth strategy.

00:29:15

Slaninsky discusses the concept of growth loops and the practicalities of building a scalable UA engine.

00:30:30

The changing landscape of user acquisition strategies beyond SEO is discussed, with a focus on communities and AI-driven content.

00:31:26

Early-stage companies are advised on how to determine unit economics when LTV data is not yet available.

00:32:04

A past overestimation of LTV/CAC ratios is recounted, highlighting the impact of different acquisition channels.

00:33:24

The unique challenges and strategies for scaling on TikTok, emphasizing the need for high creative volume, are discussed.

00:35:46

The use of AI in creative production and the concept of a "creative factory" are explored.

00:37:28

Slaninsky expresses a view that creative value remains, focusing on diversity, velocity, and volume in ad content.

00:37:42

The effectiveness and potential waste of money in influencer marketing are debated.

00:38:20

Slaninsky details how she built Palta's centralized growth function and her philosophy on leading without direct authority.

00:39:37

The importance of deep founder and team engagement for building trust and making strategic bets is emphasized.

00:39:57

The optimal placement of growth teams (separate vs. integrated) is discussed, depending on company stage and DNA.

00:43:25

Slaninsky advises against hiring overly experienced "Silicon Valley-badged" individuals for early-stage growth roles, favoring hungry, builder-mentality candidates.

00:44:39

The structure of Palta's centralized growth function, built around three pillars, is explained.

00:45:54

The potential for CAC to remain stable with efficient growth machines, despite scaling, is discussed.

00:46:03

A significant growth decision that didn't work was centralizing UA, leading to a pivot towards supporting in-house growth functions.

00:47:04

The critical importance of retention is stressed, with a focus on optimizing early-stage metrics like D7.

00:48:36

The nature of the product dictates the relevant retention metric, with Flow's monthly tracking being a success indicator.

00:49:41

The overuse and effectiveness of push notifications for engagement are debated, emphasizing their role in user journeys.

00:50:44

The significant impact of copy and timing, rather than just creative, on notification conversion is highlighted.

00:51:24

The reasons for not building proprietary push notification technology and the cost-effectiveness of using third-party tools are discussed.

00:52:16

Meta is identified as an overhyped channel due to increasing difficulty in achieving good unit economics, while YouTube is considered underhyped.

00:53:19

Slaninsky has changed her mind on the composition of growth teams, now emphasizing the need for AI-native individuals.

00:54:14

The BS often heard from growth leaders, including fluffy best practices and misleading benchmarks, is critiqued.

00:56:19

The decision-making process for hiring growth advisors versus internal teams is discussed, emphasizing integration and hands-on mentorship.

00:58:01

The most significant lesson learned in growth is the compounding power of conducting numerous experiments, even those that fail.

00:58:30

OpenAI is identified as a company that would greatly benefit from a robust growth playbook.

Episode Details

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)
Episode
20Growth: How to Use Influencers to Scale Growth Insanely Fast | How to Optimise User Onboaring for Growth | How the Best Growth Teams Create Organic Growth and Community | Why LTV/CAC Models are BS with Ketty Slonimsky
Published
October 3, 2025