20VC: Inside Coatue's $70BN Machine: Why Price Matters Least...
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20VC: Inside Coatue's $70BN Machine: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher
Summary
The discussion explores how the AI revolution is fundamentally shifting the SaaS market, impacting public company valuations and creating new opportunities in the private markets. Coatue's growth fund focuses on identifying companies with massive market potential and adaptable founders who can navigate multiple technological shifts to achieve significant returns.
Key Points
- Public SaaS valuations are under pressure because AI is questioning the terminal value of traditional software revenue streams, making it difficult to predict future cash flows.
- The most significant opportunities for growth and capturing the future are now found in the private markets, as companies are staying private longer and reaching larger scales, inaccessible to public investors.
- When evaluating companies, particularly in AI, focus should be on the potential for massive market adoption and a founder's ability to reinvent the company across multiple technological waves, rather than solely on early-stage metrics or margins.
- Mega funds can still achieve venture-like returns by focusing on a few high-conviction investments in enormous markets, requiring discipline and the ability to deploy significant capital in later-stage private rounds.
- While traditional SaaS metrics like 80% gross margins are important at scale, early-stage companies, especially in AI, may have lower gross margins due to cloud and LLM costs, but can achieve higher operating margins through efficiency gains.
- The concept of "kingmaking" by large VC funds is not a real phenomenon; instead, significant capital provides a distinct advantage to companies with strong product-market fit, enabling them to capture market share more effectively.
- The hardest decision in a career can be deviating from a linear, predictable path to pursue a less obvious but potentially more rewarding opportunity.
Conclusion
The AI revolution is fundamentally altering the investment landscape, with significant opportunities shifting from public to private markets.
Investors should prioritize identifying companies with massive TAM potential and adaptable founders who can innovate through technological shifts.
While traditional metrics are important, a forward-looking approach focused on product, market, and founder vision is crucial for identifying generational companies.
Discussion Topics
- How is the increasing influence of AI fundamentally reshaping the criteria for evaluating early-stage tech investments?
- What strategies should investors employ to navigate the shift of significant growth opportunities from public to private markets?
- How can founders and investors best prepare for the potential disruptions and opportunities presented by AI across various industries?
Key Terms
- TAM
- Total Addressable Market; the total market demand for a product or service.
- SaaS
- Software as a Service; a software licensing and delivery model.
- ARR
- Annual Recurring Revenue; the predictable revenue a company expects to receive annually.
- Series A/B/C
- Stages of funding for startups, with later series indicating more mature companies.
- IPO
- Initial Public Offering; the first time a company sells its stock to the public.
- LLM
- Large Language Model; a type of artificial intelligence model trained on vast amounts of text data.
- OPEX
- Operating Expenses; ongoing costs incurred by a business to operate.
- ROIC
- Return on Invested Capital; a profitability ratio that measures how well a company generates profits from its capital.
- P&L
- Profit and Loss statement; a financial statement that summarizes revenues, costs, and other expenses.
- VC
- Venture Capital; financing that investors provide to startup companies and small businesses that are believed to have long-term growth potential.
Timeline
Discussion on why the public-private boundary is breaking down and the impact of AI on SaaS valuations.
Explanation of why owning the future is now predominantly in private markets due to companies staying private longer and achieving massive scale.
Analysis of how architectural shifts in technology, like the move to AI, require companies to be adaptable and reinvent themselves to maintain revenue durability.
Discussion on valuing high-growth assets and the strategy of valuing companies after assessing their market potential and growth trajectory.
The importance of focusing on gigantic Total Addressable Markets (TAMs) as the primary investment criterion, with the test of becoming a $50-100 billion public company.
The concept that a small number of "platform companies" generate a disproportionate amount of enterprise value, making it crucial to invest in these select few.
Examining whether mega funds ($5B+) can achieve venture-like returns, focusing on the changing dynamics of companies staying private longer and scaling significantly.
The nuanced view on margins: they matter at scale, but early-stage AI companies may have lower gross margins that can be offset by higher operating margins and eventual optimization.
The focus on investing in real, fast-growing businesses with durable outcomes, avoiding pre-revenue companies with high valuations and no product.
The challenges for seed funds in the current environment due to mega fund entry economics and larger check sizes, making it harder to secure meaningful ownership.
The difficulty of being a good seed investor versus a growth investor due to differing analytical frameworks and market dynamics.
Dismissal of the "kingmaking" concept, with an emphasis that large capital provides an advantage, not a guarantee of success.
Discussion on the "foie gras" effect, where excessive capital can artificially inflate and then collapse companies, particularly when product-market fit is lacking.
Analyzing Canva as a platform company due to its ability to adapt and expand into multiple product areas and emerging technologies like AI.
The lesson from Mary Meeker about the importance of analytical skills, storytelling with data, and seeing the bigger picture beyond raw metrics.
Recognizing the unique insight of investors like Mamoon Hamid in identifying inflection points in companies at early stages.
Comparing investment strategies of different venture capital firms like Sequoia, Founders Fund, and Benchmark based on their focus and track record.
A hypothetical choice between investing in OpenAI or Anthropic, highlighting the strengths of each.
The idea that having many people who want to help and benefit from a company's growth is a significant advantage.
The change in perspective on the size of outcomes possible with AI, shifting from an "assistant" to an "agent" paradigm.
The belief that AI adoption in enterprises will happen faster than previous technological shifts, though widespread change still takes time.
The most memorable first-time meeting was with the founder of Ada, whose clear vision for text-heavy professions was compelling.
The hardest career decision was leaving Insight for Kleiner Perkins, stepping off a linear path into an unknown environment.
The observation that being in the Bay Area, despite not being strictly necessary, offers advantages in talent density for AI companies.
The biggest career miss was not investing in Anduril due to a myopic focus on SaaS metrics, overlooking the exceptional founding team and market trend.
Excitement for the next decade stems from the potential of new products and technologies to fundamentally change lives, citing the potential of AI-powered devices.
Reflecting on the excitement of past consumer devices like the iPod Nano, contrasting it with the current lukewarm reception to new iPhone models.
Mention of MetaView and Turing as AI-driven platforms for hiring and ensuring model reliability, respectively.
Turing's role in making AI model failures visible and providing data for improvements.
Episode Details
- Podcast
- The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)
- Episode
- 20VC: Inside Coatue's $70BN Machine: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher
- Official Link
- https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/
- Published
- February 23, 2026