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Balaji & Benedict Evans: When Tech Breaks Industries

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Balaji & Benedict Evans: When Tech Breaks Industries

Summary

The episode discusses how new technologies like AI, crypto, smart glasses, and robotics are simultaneously disrupting industries.

Hosts Balaji and Benedict Evans explore the transition periods of these technologies, focusing on their specific impacts and what they leave standing.

Key Points

  • Technologies become most relevant during their transition phase and are often forgotten once they become ubiquitous, with the rate of change being more important than the absolute level of adoption.
  • The proliferation of smartphone components at lower costs has enabled other technologies like VR headsets, drones, and connected devices, reversing the historical trend where military and corporations adopted new tech first.
  • The increasing prevalence of AI and LLMs is changing how we interact with technology, moving from deterministic software to models that require careful prompting and verification, with prompt engineering becoming a new skill.
  • The discussion highlights the concept of "lowercase" technologies that are emerging before becoming "uppercase" mainstream phenomena, similar to how podcasts existed before they became a major category.
  • AI's ability to generate convincing content, both text and images, presents challenges in discerning reality from fabrication, with crypto potentially serving as a verifiable source of truth through chain of custody.
  • Crypto's utility is seen in specific transaction types like large, small, fast, international, automated, or transparent transactions, and its potential to revolutionize capital formation through on-chain equity and global crowdfunding.
  • Emerging technologies like advanced AR/VR glasses and physical robotics are still in their nascent stages, facing challenges with optics, cost, and adoption, but hold significant potential for future disruption.
  • The conversation touches upon the shift in consumer behavior from searching for cheap products to seeking recommendations and curated content, indicating a move further up the consumer funnel.
  • Political landscapes are also being reshaped by technology, with the internet disrupting traditional political divides and AI and robots potentially creating new societal fault lines.
  • The future of online communities, financial systems, and the very definition of identity is being influenced by decentralized technologies and the increasing digitization of life.

Conclusion

Technologies become most impactful and discussed during their transition phases, with their true utility often becoming clear as they mature and integrate into society.

The digital and physical worlds are increasingly merging, with advancements in AI, robotics, and VR/AR creating new possibilities for human interaction and work.

Crypto, while facing adoption challenges, offers unique solutions for specific transaction types and capital formation, and its underlying technology is advancing towards enabling broader consumer applications.

Discussion Topics

  • How do the rapid advancements in AI and robotics impact different industries and job markets, and what are the ethical considerations?
  • What are the most promising applications of crypto beyond speculation, and how can it solve real-world problems in finance and beyond?
  • As immersive technologies like AR/VR glasses become more sophisticated, what are the implications for social interaction, work, and the future of computing?

Key Terms

AI
Artificial intelligence, the simulation of human intelligence processes by computer systems.
Metaverse
A collective virtual shared space, created by the convergence of virtually enhanced physical reality and physically persistent virtual space.
Blockchains
Distributed, immutable ledgers that record transactions across many computers, ensuring transparency and security.
Operating Systems
Software that manages computer hardware and software resources and provides common services for computer programs.
VR
Virtual reality, a simulated experience that can be similar to or completely different from the real world.
AR
Augmented reality, an interactive experience of a real-world environment where the environments' systems are enhanced by computer-generated perceptual information.
Robotics
The branch of mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, computer science and related sciences that deal with the design, construction, operation, and application of robots.
LLM
Large Language Model, a type of artificial intelligence algorithm that can understand and generate human-like text.
OpenAI
An American artificial intelligence research laboratory consisting of both a for-profit corporation and its parent non-profit company.
Substack
A social journalism platform that hosts a large number of independent newsletters.
GitHub
A web-based platform for version control using Git, allowing developers to store, manage, review, and collaborate on code.
API
Application programming interface, a set of rules that allows different software applications to communicate with each other.
GUI
Graphical user interface, a type of user interface that allows users to interact with electronic devices through graphical icons and visual indicators.
Clippy
A Microsoft Office assistant that debuted in Microsoft Office 97 designed to help users accomplish tasks.
SEO
Search engine optimization, the process of improving the quality and quantity of website traffic to a website or a web page from search engines.
YC
Y Combinator, an American seed accelerator that helps founders build and scale their startups.
Bandwidth
The maximum rate of data transfer across a given path.
Block Space
The amount of data that can be stored on a blockchain at any given time.
Stablecoin
A class of cryptocurrencies that attempt to peg their market value to some other commodity or instrument, such as the US dollar.
Crowdfunding
The practice of funding a project or venture by raising small amounts of money from a large number of people, typically via the Internet.
Oracle
A third-party service that connects smart contracts with real-world data, such as price feeds or weather information.
Captcha
A test that is designed to distinguish human beings from bots.
Deepfakes
Synthetic media in which a person's likeness is replaced by someone else's in videos or images.
Chain of Custody
A process that documents the handling and transfer of evidence or data to ensure its integrity.
Non-zero Bitcoin balance
Refers to the fact that AI cannot fake the existence of digital assets like Bitcoin that are verifiable on a blockchain.
Google Login
A single sign-on service developed by Google that allows users to log in to many third-party websites and applications using their Google account.
Votagora
Likely a reference to a platform or concept related to on-chain voting or decentralized governance.

Timeline

00:00:06

Discussion on how AI has become a buzzword without clear definition.

00:00:17

Analogy of blockchains as frontiers of operating systems research.

00:00:33

Zuckerberg's acquisition of Oculus for its potential as an "X-Matter-Fan."

00:00:39

The idea that understanding a technology often signals it's time to move on.

00:00:49

Importance of the rate of change over absolute adoption levels in technology.

00:00:54

Transition phases of AI, crypto, smart glasses, and robotics happening simultaneously.

00:01:16

Introduction of the conversation from the Network State Podcast with Balaji Sreenivasan and Benedict Evans.

00:02:15

Benedict Evans' career evolution from mobile analyst to broader tech analyst.

00:03:08

The concept of the "smartphone dividend" and its enabling effect on other technologies.

00:04:10

The supply chain of consumer electronics often mirroring or even surpassing military applications.

00:04:34

The historical shift in technology adoption from intelligence agencies to consumers.

00:06:31

Discussion on the "flying car" concept and the Chinese drone industry's evolution.

00:08:03

The rarity of industry analysts who could publicly share data and insights during the smartphone boom.

00:09:35

Newsletters and podcasts becoming productized categories, similar to Joe Rogan's podcasting success.

00:10:19

The trade-offs of using platforms like Substack for audience reach versus retaining control.

00:11:27

The concept of "lowercase" technologies existing before becoming "uppercase" mainstream phenomena.

00:12:28

AI being viewed as a new platform with potential "white space" for innovation.

00:13:09

The difficulty in identifying the next big thing, with Shein and Temu as recent examples of exploding consumer platforms.

00:14:03

Smart glasses being seen as the most predictable post-iPhone technology.

00:14:48

Robot dogs and their evolution from toys to potential companions and a Christmas present item.

00:15:37

The current state of AI, two and a half years after the "chat-cheap-team" moment.

00:16:12

Distinguishing between agentic intelligence and amplified intelligence in AI.

00:17:53

The nature of traditional software (deterministic) versus machine learning (hard to explain) and LLMs (easy to explain to an intern).

00:19:37

The counterintuitive phenomenon of "double descent" in AI model training.

00:20:53

AI being used as a broad term, similar to "technology" itself.

00:21:18

A structured way to conceptualize AI: deterministic software, machine learning, and LLMs.

00:22:14

The concept of "spells" in AI, crypto, and social media, where specific phrases hold power.

00:23:07

The importance of vocabulary and precise language for effective AI prompting.

00:24:17

AI as "undocumented APIs," offering broad capabilities that are not fully understood even by their creators.

00:24:38

GUIs as a way to expose software features and guide user workflows.

00:25:46

The potential for "AIOS" (AI Operating Systems) that manage and suggest actions.

00:26:24

The vindication of "Clippy" as a concept, now applied to more sophisticated AI agents.

00:28:04

A Google Trends analysis showing a shift from "cheap" to "best" in product searches, indicating a move up the consumer funnel.

00:29:44

The parallel between consumer adoption of technology (cheap first, then best) and the "best versus cheap" trend.

00:30:31

The internet's evolution from a price comparison tool to a recommendation and curation platform.

00:31:33

Prompting as a new form of searching, requiring full English sentences rather than keywords.

00:31:58

AI's ability to handle natural language queries, unlike traditional database searches.

00:32:44

Computers becoming adept at probabilistic tasks, complementing their strength in deterministic computation.

00:33:27

The ongoing challenge of AI accurately handling deterministic tasks, despite advancements.

00:33:38

The "trap" of evaluating new technologies based on old benchmarks.

00:34:25

Examples of AI errors in research, including incorrect data, flipped percentages, and citation issues.

00:36:34

AI as "amplified intelligence," where domain knowledge enhances prompting and verification.

00:37:01

The limitations of human perception versus AI's ability to detect patterns in complex data.

00:39:30

The surprising effectiveness of text-based AI due to its high dimensionality and broad vocabulary.

00:40:47

The potential for AI to revolutionize content creation, even if the images generated are not of real things.

00:43:46

AI's struggles with spatial reasoning, contrasting with its proficiency in natural language processing.

00:44:00

China's lead in physical robotics and the potential fusion of AI with physical manifestations.

00:44:51

The internet as a "mechanical Turk," relying on human input for its functioning.

00:45:42

Yahoo's failure to scale its human-curated directory compared to Google's algorithmic approach.

00:46:15

The internet's gradual disruption of industries, making subsequent innovations necessary.

00:46:22

AI's disruption of search, Stack Overflow, image search, video, and specialized applications.

00:47:18

The unpredictable nature of technological disruption, akin to predicting the internet's impact in 1994.

00:47:51

Uber's disruption of taxis versus Airbnb's complementary impact on hotels.

00:50:21

The nuanced effect of technology, which depends on the specific industry and timing.

00:50:37

The tech industry's cycle of disruption and eventual departure from industries.

00:51:41

The concept of conversation being proportional to the rate of change or derivative, rather than absolute value.

00:52:22

The historical trends of technology adoption and public discourse, exemplified by railroads and elevators.

00:53:53

The evolution of elevators from manually operated to automatic systems, and the cultural history surrounding them.

00:55:16

Civilization advancing as more tasks become automated and require less conscious thought.

00:55:40

The ubiquity of technologies like social media leading to second-order effects and new forms of interaction.

00:56:43

The role of ubiquity in enabling new technological adoption, such as QR codes during the pandemic.

00:57:31

The cyclical nature of technological adoption and the emergence of backlash and romanticization of the past.

00:59:07

The "elephant graph" illustrating global income growth disparities and its potential connection to political shifts.

01:00:10

The differing trajectories of social and economic progress in US and UK politics.

01:01:04

The potential for AI to disrupt "Blue America" and robots to disrupt "Red America."

01:01:11

The shift in the global financial landscape, with the rise of internet capital markets challenging US dominance.

01:01:41

The growing influence of US tech companies on a global scale and the questions this raises for national sovereignty.

01:03:01

The fragmentation of political coalitions in the US and UK, leaving some groups without a clear party affiliation.

01:05:35

The historical trend of progressive social ideas becoming mainstream, contrasted with the debate around economic policies.

01:07:01

The post-WWII shift in global ideology towards social progressivism and economic deregulation.

01:09:01

The debate around the rise of billionaires and its correlation with new company creation and economic models.

01:11:01

The decentralization trend in history and its potential parallel in modern technology.

01:13:05

The internet as a technological evolution of America, mirroring America's relationship with Britain.

01:14:01

The concept of "cloud communities" with people, governments, and currencies, but lacking physical territory.

01:15:32

The historical recurrence of social grouping and community formation, now expressed through online platforms.

01:18:10

The challenge of "context collapse" on social media, leading to misunderstandings and conflict.

01:20:07

The fragmentation of social media platforms following Twitter's changes, with users migrating to specialized alternatives.

01:21:51

A survey of tech trends, focusing on the potential of AR/VR glasses versus VR headsets.

01:22:18

The distinction between VR as a niche technology (like game consoles) and AR glasses as a potential universal device.

01:24:47

The pervasive adoption of wearables and IoT health devices, filling various niches.

01:25:49

The significant investment in AR/XR technology, with a focus on practical applications like repair and telepresence.

01:28:49

Crypto's core value proposition lying in specific transaction types and its potential to revolutionize capital formation.

01:31:33

Block space as a critical, yet often overlooked, constraint and enabler for blockchain applications.

01:33:54

The analogy of crypto's evolution to the internet's growth, from text-based to rich media.

01:34:17

Crypto's utility in solving friction points for international wire transfers, digital gold, and crowdfunding.

01:35:34

The "U-shaped coalition" benefiting from crypto, including power users, the powerless, and those seeking new capital formation mechanisms.

01:38:19

The increasing viability of crypto for a broader range of applications as block space expands.

01:39:13

The challenge for analysts in covering crypto, balancing technical depth with broader product strategy.

01:40:00

The potential for crypto to facilitate internet equity and capital markets, challenging traditional US financial dominance.

01:43:17

The difficulty in finding meaningful insights between highly technical AI research and broad, futuristic claims.

01:45:41

The personal journey of a late adopter of social media, finding value in detailed, specialized content.

01:47:19

The role of block space as the "bandwidth" of crypto, dictating application capabilities.

01:55:45

Crypto's ability to provide verifiable "chain of custody" for data, contrasting with AI's potential for fakery.

02:00:13

The importance of "is this true?" verification, particularly in financial and scientific data.

02:01:11

The emerging use case of crypto for AI model payments through platforms like Open Router.

02:03:00

The challenge of consolidating scattered online content into a valuable book format.

02:03:38

Benedict Evans' work in analyzing technology trends and his newsletter as a primary source of insight.

02:04:19

The difficulty of distinguishing individuals online due to common names and the importance of clear online identity.

02:05:02

Acknowledging the value of both VR and AR technologies, with AR glasses having a higher potential for mass adoption.

Episode Details

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a16z Podcast
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Balaji & Benedict Evans: When Tech Breaks Industries
Published
February 6, 2026