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20Product: On Running's CPO on How to Create Emotion Through Product | Why 99% of Products Fail and How to Create Cults Around Products | The Biggest Product Mistakes On Have Made & Lessons Learned with Gérald Marolf

Summary

This episode features Gérald Marolf, CPO of On Running, discussing the importance of creating emotional connections through product design and the challenges of building cult followings.

Marolf shares insights into On Running's product philosophy, lessons learned from mistakes, and strategies for balancing innovation with consumer needs in the competitive sportswear market.

Key Points

  • Creating emotional connection through product is paramount, starting with elements that trigger curiosity and personal relevance, akin to the allure of fine fragrances.
  • Simply making a product "simple" isn't always enough; complexity can foster deeper consumer engagement, allowing for exploration, learning, and a unique product identity.
  • On Running navigates the challenge of serving both dedicated athletes and lifestyle consumers by focusing on performance-driven products that also offer aesthetic appeal and durability, acknowledging that not all consumers will utilize products to their full extent.
  • The brand prioritizes understanding consumer needs but avoids simply fulfilling direct requests, instead aiming to guide and innovate, especially since they lack a historical product archive to draw from for inspiration.
  • Overly focusing on the "hybrid" product space, which aims to serve both sport and lifestyle equally, proved to be a strategic misstep as customers tend to gravitate towards specialized performance or pure style.
  • On Running's expansion into new sports like tennis, particularly through its association with Roger Federer, is seen as crucial for evolving the brand beyond its running roots and establishing itself as a premium sportswear entity.
  • The brand acknowledges the potential risk of over-reliance on an individual athlete's popularity (like Federer) and is working towards diversifying its brand identity to ensure longevity beyond an athlete's career.
  • Entering niche markets like tennis, even if not a massive "needle mover" in terms of market size, is viewed as essential for building brand DNA, attracting talent, and expanding the company's global perception.
  • The release of a "slow marathon" running shoe was a product miscalculation because it failed to resonate with the core ambition of marathon runners, highlighting the importance of understanding consumer mindset for specific performance categories.
  • On Running believes in letting products "out in the wild" for unfiltered feedback, drawing inspiration from the fashion industry's approach to runway shows rather than relying solely on traditional marketing.
  • The company acknowledges a challenge in effectively communicating the story of its apparel and accessories, sometimes being perceived primarily as a footwear brand.
  • The concept of a single "hero product" is becoming less relevant in today's market, with a broader range of diversified products catering to various consumer needs and preferences.
  • Consumer loyalty is a complex issue, with brands vying for attention amidst increased options, and building a strong, clear brand personality through product is key to fostering a connection.
  • The brand respects competitors with clear consumer-facing missions (like Halo Yoga) and those with excellent products despite potentially confusing branding (like Asics).
  • Entering new product categories like socks was a missed opportunity for earlier focus, but the brand is now approaching it with the same innovative drive as its core footwear and apparel.
  • The Loewe collaboration was a beautiful product but a case of "confused brand" in terms of strategic intent, demonstrating that even successful collaborations can be misaligned with the core brand's primary mission.
  • New Balance's resurgence is attributed to their ability to anticipate trends, leverage hyper-local strategies within subcultures, and adopt an outsider mentality, which On Running is learning from.
  • A desired future collaboration would be with Simone Biles, recognizing her as a fascinating athlete with much to unpack beyond her sport.
  • The biggest product mistake was personal over-involvement, which can hinder team autonomy and learning.
  • The future of athletic sportswear lies in capturing consumers' everyday habits and expanding beyond single-purpose brand associations, with sportswear having significant untapped potential as a lifestyle uniform.

Conclusion

Creating products that evoke emotion and personal connection is crucial for building brand loyalty and cult followings.

Balancing innovation with consumer needs and avoiding strategic missteps in product category expansion are key challenges for brands like On Running.

The future of sportswear lies in integrating into consumers' everyday lives beyond just sport-specific use, offering more holistic lifestyle solutions.

Discussion Topics

  • How can brands effectively create emotional connections with consumers through product design beyond basic functionality?
  • What are the biggest risks and rewards of expanding a brand's product line into new and diverse categories?
  • How can companies balance the desire for rapid innovation and market entry with the need for deliberate, well-received product development?

Key Terms

CPO
Chief Product Officer - The executive responsible for a company's product strategy and development.
Athleisure
Casual clothing designed to be worn for both athletic workouts and everyday activities.
Hyper-local
Focusing on very specific, small geographic areas or communities.
LVMH
Louis Vuitton Moët Hennessy - A French multinational luxury goods conglomerate.

Timeline

00:04:43

The discussion begins on creating emotion through products, comparing it to the captivating nature of perfume.

00:06:07

The debate on whether "simple" is always better in product design, highlighting the value of complexity for engagement.

00:09:15

On Running addresses the challenge of consumers wearing their shoes for lifestyle rather than pure sport.

00:11:24

The conversation shifts to the balance between listening to customer feedback and leading them with product vision.

00:12:52

Marolf shares an instance where listening to customers about the sports-lifestyle hybrid space was a mistake.

00:15:36

The discussion moves to a situation where On Running "didn't listen" as much as they should have, specifically in the tennis category.

00:17:13

The importance of sustainability versus price for consumers is debated.

00:17:26

The value of being first to market versus being third in product innovation is explored.

00:18:23

The impact of market size on product direction, using tennis as an example.

00:19:37

The hypothetical of whether On Running would pursue tennis without Roger Federer.

00:20:04

The significance of Roger Federer as part of On Running's brand DNA and its expansion beyond running.

00:21:04

Concerns about the longevity of the "Roger" brand and diversification strategies.

00:23:03

Reflection on whether On Running was too slow to enter the marathon shoe market compared to brands like Hoka.

00:23:54

The process of knowing when a product is "ready" to ship.

00:24:44

Discussion on the most controversial product released and lessons learned.

00:25:54

Marolf shares insights on product messaging for new products, drawing parallels with the fashion industry.

00:26:44

The difficulty in telling the story of apparel and accessories as a primarily footwear company.

00:26:50

The necessity of having a hero product in today's market.

00:27:49

The debate on whether consumers are more or less loyal today, and the role of brands as a form of "religion."

00:28:44

Respect for competitive brand personalities in the sportswear space, mentioning Halo Yoga and Asics.

00:30:35

Criticism of Allbirds for brand confusion in the athleisure market.

00:31:49

The response to the idea that "if you build it, they will come."

00:32:44

Marolf discusses the best product that "didn't do as well as he thought" – the Loewe collaboration.

00:34:13

The strategic rationale behind collaborations and market expansion, using Nike as an example.

00:35:07

The regret regarding the athleisure move and the rationale behind the Loewe partnership.

00:36:03

Learning from product failures and understanding how consumers interpret and define products.

00:37:00

The surprise element in predicting product success and the importance of simple comfort.

00:38:11

A critical perspective on the brand personality of Xenia.

00:38:36

The binary view of winning in physical products: price king vs. feature king.

00:40:17

A nuanced perspective on why material quality distinguishes products beyond basic features.

00:41:48

The debate on whether imitation of products is flattery or detrimental to sales.

00:43:30

The worry of being too synonymous with a specific customer segment.

00:44:28

Analysis of New Balance's resurgence and their successful strategies.

00:46:47

Discussion on dream collaborations, highlighting Prada Sport and Chanel trainers.

00:48:33

Identifying a product that is personally disregarded but good for business, like socks.

00:49:49

Quick-fire questions covering product principles, underappreciated/overrated brands, desired collaborations, product mistakes, and the future of athletic products.

00:53:34

Final remarks and sponsor mentions.

Episode Details

Podcast
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)
Episode
20Product: On Running's CPO on How to Create Emotion Through Product | Why 99% of Products Fail and How to Create Cults Around Products | The Biggest Product Mistakes On Have Made & Lessons Learned with Gérald Marolf
Published
December 19, 2025